GGG put max cap on MOVEMENT SPEED and DPS. This is the only guaranteed solution for OP builds!!

"ENOUGH is ENOUGH!"

-Once and for all, you'll stop players from maxing out their DPS while sacrificing other defensive stats. Players will learn to invest in other modifiers, creating a character well-balanced for a battle between defensive and offensive elements. The gameplay between players will be more complete and each character will complement the weaknesses of the others. In short, you will have what you have been desperately craving for 8 months, but without luck...
'A MEANINGFUL COMBAT!'

It doesn't need to change stats, it doesn't need to put more and different passive nodes, it doesn't need to think about combination, it doesn't need to change mechanisms, it doesn't need to buff or not enemies, it doesn't need anything... Just a simple max cap that would bring back Jonathan's lost vision.

👍 No more complains from weaker players.
👍 No more 3 sec Boss kill.
👍 No more words like "You stay out, I'll take care of the boss myself"
👍 No more scared players outside Boss room.

💯% MEANINGFUL COMBAT!!!

-Another piece that completes Jonathan's vision and still ruins the teamwork experience is the movement speed which should be treated the same. Put a cap to prevent "Flash Runners" from completing maps in under 30 seconds. Force them to follow the group and share experiences, as well as help the entire group complete all the tasks the map provides.

It doesn't need to buff Debuffs coming from ground effects.
It doesn't need to worry if someone left behind.
It doesn't need complex movement gem combinations that would correct the movement balance.
It doesn't need buffing insane Bosses movement speed.

👍 No more lost teaming experience!
👍 No more worries about reaching Flash heroes before entering Boss room or killing/opening anything that drop items.
👍 No more player kickings that lost systematic play.

💯% Teaming gameplay!!!

So you want GGG to hand hold everyone to enforce "meaningful" gameplay? Yeah, that is not likely to happen.

This is the most reasonable and guaranteed idea i heard so far about OP builds. Until now even with so many complaints and actions by GGG team, literately nothing has changed. So far the situation goes from bad to worse and the vision seems more like a bad nightmare rather than a light in the end of tunnel.

I'm tired to see players killing bosses with 2 clicks. It's not about well created build, it's not about skillful players. It is the god damn balance that make classes differ like mouse and elephant.

And here comes the question. Is GGG capable to solve issues with class balance? No! Becouse the combinations are millions and as the game proceed to final level it will be more complex. And more complex means more combinations that lead to chaos.

So putting a max value to DPS will limit this chaos to zero wether players like it or not.

For me movement speed isn't a big issue as long as DPS doesn't exceed insane values.

and threads like this are the poison in the 'meaningful combat' well.

why do you care what and how others play? the whole idea is to allow slower pace combat, and stop promoting/forcing/handing out zoom zoom play, not to forbid it. Being faster should be a bonus you earn, not a requirement you got served on a silver platter.

All this thread is doing is inviting massive push back from the group that does not give a damn about 'meaningful combat'.

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

All this thread is doing is inviting massive push back from the group that does not give a damn about 'meaningful combat'.

Truth. Finding balance is tricky. 65% movespeed? Too much. The slows mace-bros have to deal with? Also too much.

GGG has always been a hammer balancer. Much like blizzard though they may not appreciate the comparison. Let's do this: +1000 dmg. Too strong. Let's nerf it: -1100 dmg.

There are no guaranteed solutions. Personally I'd say, let's focus on why the whole server is only looking for 3 or 4 mods. Let's change mechanics so all those other mods have value. I'm a crazy person though.

We won't get there with all these all or nothing solutions though, that much I agree with.

If they add a cap on damages. Then trust me no one will play the game.

They have to balance classes to make them attractive, because right now only deadeye is fun to play.
They want no zoom zoom but people want zoom zoom.

If you want "mEanInGfuL cOmbAt" then just play ethical builds.

If others want to blast, let them if they find a way.

Why do you care how others play the game?

"force people to play like me and with me" the post.

You do realize there's millions of single player games on Steam right?

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staytuned2k#6008 wrote:

Why do you care how others play the game?

To a point, you shouldn't. Period. FOMO, specifically streamer FOMO, seems to be a real thing. This false dichotomy where everyone who complains is just jealous is plain stupid. I'm not jealous of people who can't hit spacebar and complain on the forums when they have to.


Balance though. That's a real thing. You can't fault anyone for thinking the rules might be wonky. Then it turns out all GGG has to do is raise boss health and make bosses a requirement and now people lose their sh*t.

So you get pushback. Why do these people who can't kill bosses get their way? Why are people running blue maps getting the same rewards as folks who run 6 mod yellows?

They shouldn't. They feel they should. They're wrong. So you get threads like this.

You have been that much frustrated in your groups that you now want to force/forbid everything on others?

Theese things have never lead nowhere good in history lol

I'd suggest you to find nicer people to play with or to play solo.